Episode 123: Ask Anjie & Laura

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EPISODE 123: ASK ANJIE & LAURA

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Episode 123: Ask Anjie & Laura
Anjie Cho & Laura Morris, Mindful Design

It’s time for another Ask Anjie & Laura! In this episode, we answer questions from our newsletter subscribers about how to work with feng shui when you’re about to move, bathrooms and children’s bedrooms in the love corner, and where to put a big clear quartz crystal.

We cover:

  • Whether it’s helpful to apply feng shui principles to a home when you know you are leaving soon

  • Creating a celebration and ritual when leaving a place where you’ve lived

  • What to do if a child’s bedroom is in the love and relationships area

  • What to do if a bathroom is in the love and relationships area

  • Why you might not need to worry about your bathroom location!

  • The best location for a large ball of clear quartz crystal

  • The difference between natural crystals and feng shui crystal balls

  • The benefits of working directly with a feng shui practitioner


Thanks so much for listening to the Holistic Spaces Podcast brought to you by Mindful Design Feng Shui School!


Episode 122: Feng Shui Wealth Boosting Tips

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EPISODE 122: FENG SHUI WEALTH BOOSTING TIPS

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Photo by Katie Harp on Unsplash

EPISODE 122: FENG SHUI WEALTH BOOSTING TIPS
Anjie Cho & Laura Morris, Mindful Design

In this episode we’re talking all about one of the most popular feng shui topics: wealth! We share our perspectives on wealth, as well as a few simple ways to boost wealth with feng shui.

We cover:

Mentioned in this episode:


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Episode 121: Unseen Energies with Chongtul Rinpoche

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EPISODE 121: Unseen Energies with Chongtul Rinpoche

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Photo by Erda Estremera on Unsplash

Episode 121: Unseen Energies with Chongtul Rinpoche
Anjie Cho & Laura Morris, Mindful Design

In this episode we are delighted to interview Chongtul Rinpoche, founder of Bon Shen Ling and teacher of the Bon religion. We loved talking to him about Bon, some of the connections between Bon and feng shui, and connecting to our own energy as a way to offer more peace to the world.

We cover:


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Chongtul-Rinpoche

Chongtul Rinpoche is the founder of Bon Shen Ling, the Tibetan Bon Education Fund located in New Jersey. Bon Shen Ling is a place for the Bon practice of compassion. Chongtul Rinpoche has been teaching Bon religion in North America over the last decade. Each year, the number of student increases because of a growing interest in meditation and in the Bon religion. Rinpoche believes that the interest in Bon reflects a growing desire for peace. 

Bon Shen Ling website: bonshenling.org

Learn more about Chongtul Rinpoche


Episode 120: Using the Feng Shui Bagua to Spark Change

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EPISODE 120: USING THE FENG SHUI BAGUA MAP TO SPARK CHANGE

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Photo by Brad Wilkins on Pexels

Episode 120: Using the Feng Shui Bagua to Spark Change
Anjie Cho & Laura Morris, Mindful Design

Ready to make a change in your life? Feng shui can help! Whether you want to invite new energy into your career, love life, health, or finances, we’re sharing simple feng shui tips that you can apply in your home to spark change.

We cover:

  • How to decide which bagua area to focus on, and why it’s important to focus!

  • An easy way to get started with the bagua

  • Feng shui tips to activate each area of the bagua

  • How feng shui can help you start new projects

  • Feng shui tips to start inviting more abundance

  • Feng shui support for making changes in your health and wellbeing

  • How to support your children with feng shui

  • How to inspire self-growth and self-cultivation

  • Feng shui tips to spark more visibility and recognition

  • Feng shui suggestions to spark change in your career

  • How to invite a partner with feng shui

Mentioned in this episode:


Thanks so much for listening to the Holistic Spaces Podcast brought to you by Mindful Design Feng Shui School!


Episode Transcription:

You’re listening to the Holistic Spaces Podcast brought to you by  Mindful Design Feng Shui School.

Episode 120 USING THE FENG SHUI BAGUA MAP TO SPARK CHANGE

Welcome to Episode 120 of the Holistic Space Podcast where we hope to inspire, educate, and empower you to create your own holistic spaces that nurture and resonate with you.

Anjie Cho and Laura Morris are the founders of Mindful Design Feng Shui School. Together they have over three decades of experience designing harmonious spaces. Anjie and Laura have guided thousands of people to shift their energy and revitalize their lives. Mindful Design School offers feng shui courses and certifications. Check us out at mindfuldesignschool.com and the podcast is hosted at holisticspaces.com.

A: So Laura, how’s it going?

L: It’s going pretty well. How are you?

A: It’s pretty good. We’re in May now. And it’s starting to get warmer and warmer closer to summer. But you're further up north than me, so how is the weather typically in May?

L: I think I'm probably honestly like 4 hours, 5 or 6 hours from you. If I could fly straight across from Lake Ontario, I’d get to you pretty quick. But because I'm on the other side of the lake, maybe it’s a little colder, but not that much. May is a pretty nice month.

A: Okay because when I chatted with our colleague Christie, she was saying that in May, people are just starting to feel spring. 

 

L: I guess that’s true. May 24th, we call it May 2-4 here, for all the Canadians you’ll know what that means, that’s the main weekend we are officially supposed to start planting things. Because before then, all bets are off right? You might get frost. 

A: Also when I’ve been in Vermont, May is when it stops snowing. 

L: Yes, well let’s hope so.

A: See, in any case we wanted to talk about how to spark change using the Feng Shui Bagua. And as we are getting warmer now, it doesn’t have to be seasonally at this time in your life, it could be energetically the time in life that you want to spark something new and create some shifts and changes. Transition is when people are really coming to feng shui. It’s a great tool to work with when you are going through transitions.

So Laura and I wanted to have an episode where we go through the bagua area, every bagua area and just talk about each area and you could listen and see which area resonates with you the most based on what it is you want to enhance. So for instance, if you are starting to look for something new in your life or you want to kickstart some growth and creativity, the New Beginnings area, or the Family area, which is typically depicted as green, is kinda the space you want to enhance. So for everyone, unless you are a seasoned practitioner, like one of our grads, Laura and I always recommend 1) use the bagua in your bedroom, and then Laura can you explain to them why we don’t want to bagua every area?

L: I’ll just back up for one second too. So for those who are newbies to the practice, and the bagua is still a pretty new practice, if you go to our blog page on our website mindfuldesignschool.com, you will see there's a free download there that will walk fairly top line, on how to lay a bagua, what is a bagua and how to lay it because as what Anjie was saying, we recommend the bagua to start with because two reasons 1) just start simple and it’s pretty easy, it’s a hard room to mess up because they’re generally pretty uniformly shaped, either rectangular or square and 2) it actually makes a pretty big impact. Because it is you, it's very close to you because it’s where you spend a lot of time. So don’t feel like you need to do the whole house if you really want to start trying some of these, what we are talking about today, do it in the bedroom to start.

A: And I'll also add, if you are a listener, be sure to sign up for our newsletter list. Because we’ll send out in our newsletter a link to a blog post that actually outlines almost everything we’ll talk about today. Plus it has that link to that free bagua map download and that’s probably the easiest because it'll just come into your mailbox. We give easy clickable links so be sure to sign up for our mailing list and you can do that by going to mindfuldesignschool.com and scrolling down to the bottom. And there should be a place to sign up or just go if you’re listening on Stiture, or iTunes, or whatever Apple Podcasts, you can look in the show notes and there’s a link to directly sign up for our newsletter there.

Okay, Laura came up with this technique that we want to invite you to all do before you just jump in, because you’re so excited to spark this new thing, but we want you to actually relax a little bit, take a yin approach rather than just plowing right into it. But actually set a timer and take 5 minutes to tune into yourself and focus on 1 word or 1 thing that arises in your mind. And then don’t do that if you’re driving. Take some time and do it. You can pause the podcast and come back and then now we are going to go through all of the bagua areas and I want you to see what area most connects to that word or thing.

We want you to be guided by your own experience first though, okay.

One last thing is if you don’t know how to lay the bagua map and you need help. Laura and I have a class called Practical Feng Shui and you can sign up for that and we lay the bagua on your house. Otherwise we recommend the bedroom. 

So let’s start with the New Beginnings area which is Family. This is called Zhen position and it’s a great one if you want to feel inspired to create something new. To have the energy to get things done. Also if there’s something you want to work on that is connected to family, harmony, and healing because the New Beginnings area is called Family. But it’s also related to this wood energy which is super healing. Some easy ways to activate this is to consider placing green plants in this area of your home. Or if you don’t have sunlight, you can also add images of green plants. Or you use the color blue, green, or teal. 

L: Well you covered a lot of them there. So this is also a good area if you wanted to again focus on the family. So this area is also the number 3. It’s about 1, 2, 3. 3 is starting something new. It’s really this new beginning where you’ve got this triad now. So it could be about starting a family or about having your family come together. So if that’s something you’re looking at, it’s a good place to have family photos if it happens to work with your space. And I know that I often get clients that say “hey, I have this stack of these family photos that they got really nicely done.” And it actually seems to work sometimes that it’s either a staircase or a big blank wall, and that’s where we put it in the house, overall in the house. It seems to work well. So a good place to sort of put family photos, that’s what I would say. 

So Abundance is the next area. And it is also a Wood area. It’s Yin Wood. If you want to work on big big money here. Well of course everyone loves this area. But I would say one thing. Let’s think of it a bit more broadly. Let’s not get too hung up on abundance and money. Let’s think of it as prosperity, a broader way to look at it. That really allows you to bring in more elements and other things into this area to kickstart it. So it could just be simply adding in the Wood element which would be a plant. That’s a quick easy way. But you could also add in the Water element too to feed the Wood. But get creative with this area. Something that really clicks with abundance. 

A: Yeah, and one of my favorites for the Abundance area is using crystals because everyone loves crystals right now. They’re having their moment. And amethyst is a beautiful purple crystal that is easy to find, relatively inexpensive, everyone loves it and it also resonates with this kind of feeling of abundance and spiritual abundance. So not necessarily about cash money abundance because those things go hand in hand so I love that. 

Alright the next area is called Health, it’s also called Tai Qi or your overall well being. And if you really want to kickstart and spark some change in your health, this is a great area. This is actually the center of your bedroom and some ways you can work with the health area is to add a piece of something that’s square shaped or related to earth tones like yellow or brown or something made of earth and ware or like a stone or rock and sometimes you know since Health is in the center of your room, I do recommend just a square rug, like a square yellow rug. Because sometimes it doesn’t make sense to…

L: To put a rock in the middle of your bed? Don’t touch the rock

A: A rock in the middle of your bedroom?

L: That’s great advice. Put a rock in the middle of the bed. Don’t touch the rock. I’m just kidding. No, it’s probably more practical to work with color or shape in that case, in the center of the bedroom. Just one last thing on the center, Tai Qi, it’s really the center of all things. Anything you do in the middle, in the center, of your bedroom or your home is really powerful. So if you want to do something else to sort of modulate everything around the area, you can hang a feng shui crystal from the center of your bedroom. Right from the ceiling it's a cut glass sphere or ball and you can find it on the holisticspaces.com site too if you wanna see what it looks like.

A: It’s different from a natural occurring crystal. It’s a man made glass crystal. Alright, let’s move onto the next area. It’s called Benefactors, in Chinese it's called Qian, it’s also known as Helpful People, Travel. And the color of this area is gray. So if you want to attract more helpful people, more benefactors. I think all of us want to travel more. You could use that color gray in this area. You can paint the wall gray or have gray objects, but you could also bring in metal elements like a wind chime and Laura had this great idea, why don’t you talk about that idea you added in the blog post?

L: Oh symbols of where I want to go? Well I know that I keep fantasizing about where I’m going to go next and putting together my magical list, my wish list. If it were me and I were going to add some of those, I would pick pictures of Florence, maybe some pictures of Scotland in that area, and really almost using it as a way to really focus on that, because that’s somewhere I would want to go. So travel photos in this area or vacation souvenirs for places you want to go back to, places you have a connection to. That’s really powerful too.

So the next spot is Completion. So completion is also called Children, productivity, and sometimes, Anjie is gonna yell at me, sometimes called Creativity but it’s not creativity

A: Don’t go there..

L: Quiet, it’s gonna be fine. It’s something you make. You completed something. Something has been finished. You produced something. Something has been wrapped up. It’s the harvest, it’s the finish, okay. So let’s think of it that way. Let’s park creativity. So the children are also in this area too, and children are also something you know that you produced, made, want to do well, want to complete, want to keep going. So you could put Children’s work there, that’s a popular thing to put up in that area. But you might want to think about this a little bit broader, because if you are thinking about something in a business or project sense, this is where you want stuff to be completed. Like be finished, be produced, done, you really have completed this amazing project. You finished it. So that is where you want to use the Metal element. And I would say again, bells, or a wind chime in this area is also good. Especially ringing that, when you want to, sort of seal the deal. When you want to finish something. 

A: Yeah, and this area is also a good one. If you do have children, if you want to provide a little bit more support for your children. I’m not a mother however, but I do understand that part of motherhood, having had a mother, is that you want to support your children however, with a light touch. You don’t want to necessarily always work directly, and sometimes the indirect route is more subtle and more effective. So working with the completion or children area of the bagua map of your bedroom, can be a way to provide more energy, more support for your child or for your children without necessarily directly affecting them, but indirectly. It’s like not taking the direct route, which is often a lot of what you see in these Asian modalities. For instance, I know I always talk about my tea classes. I take tea ceremony classes, and sometimes it's easier, we have the chawan, the tea bowl. If you’re on Youtube, you’ll see me holding it. I have a chawan and there’s a little chaken, which is the napkin in which you clean, and so I can just go straight across, I can go from here to here, to place it on my tray, but actually you’re supposed to go this way and around. And you actually move your body back, so anyway, the point is that sometimes, we think that the most direct route is the best when in fact, something like working with your children, I understand that being indirect can also be more skillful

L: Sometimes your children don’t listen to you, that’s what you’re saying basically. And you know what, I can attest to that. If you tell your children “you need to do this”, I will 100% guarantee you that won’t happen. So what you’re saying is coming from another different perspective and I appreciate that as a mother. Thank you

A: Alright, next area is Knowledge. So Knowledge is called Gen. And it’s also sometimes labeled as Skillfulness, Self Cultivation, Spirituality. Actually the image of this gua is actually a big mountain. So you can imagine climbing a mountain to meditate on top and that journey. Even if you are climbing a mountain with friends. You are climbing it alone really. So it’s kind of like a solo journey. Even when you are with companions, so that is one of the qualities of the Knowledge area. So if you really want to inspire some growth, some self cultivation, you’re really going to work on yourself. And you’re really looking to climb this intense, huge mountain, with the intention that you want to cultivate yourself and you’re up for that challenge because that’s where you’re at in life. This is a great place to work with. And Laura, what are some ways to work with this.

L: You can use color and the color for this is Dark Blue. So you can add in Dark blue. You can also do an image of a mountain. If you have a nice image of a mountain, you know, something that you really love. 

A: Are you judging people’s mountain images?

L: No, I’m not. People can do what they like to do. If you want to print a photo of a mountain and paste it there, that’s good. But I think take a little more time to find something you love and integrate, but I think overall though that’s my general feeling. That the color Dark Blue is this area. It’s also self cultivation on a really deep spiritual level. So meditation. So sometimes it happens to work out where it’s a really great place to set up an area to meditate and sit. So that’s just one other little takeaway for that area. 

So Fame, or Reputation is all about being seen. Going out there and getting yourself out and about in the world and being visible. And this could be really hard for people. We think of fame as glamorous, right? But really it is about getting a light shone upon you and being seen. And that could be really hard for some people. But it’s a really important part of really starting something in your life. Getting out there and getting noticed. If you really wanna spark something, this is a big spark area. It’s also Fire. it’s connected to this so It all comes together here. If you’re someone who says “oh i don’t know, I don’t want to be seen” you should probably take a look at that and maybe play around with this area. And the easiest way is the color red, adding that to that area, a subtler way is to add in a plant that feeds the fire in that area. 

A: Also you can go real simple, like light a candle in that area. It could be a small tealight with the intention that you want to take a moment, make a ritual out of it and maybe light that candle one evening, and journal about what it is that you want to have recognition for, because a lot of times when our clients and our students or whoever come to us wanting a lot of change, sometimes it has a lot to do with not being recognized or not being seen. Or like Laura touched upon the fear of being seen, so that’s a big one, especially for women, I think.

Alright moving on, the next area is called Career. It’s also called your Path in Life. It’s also called Kan position. And that's the Chinese name. This represents your journey and how you move through life. So it doesn't have to be a job but it’s your reason for being in the world and you can work with this area, you can put a vision board in this area that’s related to career. So of course you have to spend the time making the vision board and you can place this in your career area to activate what it is you want to achieve in your life to spark that change. 

L: Yeah, sometimes people ask us where to put the vision boards. Because most people are doing vision boards to move their life path forward, to do something new, going down this road. I would also say that this area is about deep wisdom, sometimes people put wisdom with the knowledge area. But wisdom is really its own thing. Wisdom is a deep knowing, it’s like you’ve gone down really deep on something. You’ve learned this, you’ve found something, you’ve discovered something. And sometimes you have to go into really dark places to find it out and that’s why this area Career, or Kan, is connected to the Water element, but it’s also represented by the color black. So really think about the deep dark water that you really come down and discover something really deep about something you really want to do and bring about in the world. So the color black is something you can add to this area. And generally this area is going to be in the front of the house or right near the front door of your bedroom. So you can add a piece of artwork with a black frame or you can add the symbol of Water. You can just use Water imagery too. Keep it pretty simple. 

Last one, Relationships or Love or Partnerships. Also called Kun is the Chinese name referring to this gua. And this is all about not only attracting a partner but about coming together in partnerships. It could be business partnerships. It could be romantic ones. But really think of it also as a place where it’s about nurturing. About taking care of yourself, loving yourself. There’s deep love and compassion for yourself. So it’s got a really broad, a lot of layers to it. All of these guas have tons of layers FYI. We’re really hitting the high points on these. So just know that each of these have tons of layers and you’ve studied them for years, and stuff is still coming out because this all comes from the I Ching, and I mean, which in itself, is a practice you can study for your entire life. So if you want to activate this area, a simple way, and if you’re thinking about love, you can add in the color pink, you can add in pairs, two of hearts, two rose quartz hearts is a nice way too.

A: Yeah, and you can also work with the color pink, even wear it on your body and images of couples and pairs and things are great. In this bagua area if you want to invite in a relationship and Laura also talked about working on yourself. So if that’s something you’re working on, self love, then you can try just one piece of rose quartz.

L: One thing, we always say this every single time we talk about the bagua, please don’t activate all 9 areas. Please sit down and think about what you want to activate and only do one or two.

A: Oh yea, I asked you to talk about that in the beginning, 

L: I think I just talked about the bagua itself. First thing was the bedroom. So the second thing is start really simple. Please don’t do all 9. You can do all 9 over a period of time. But start right now, pick 1-2.

A: Yes, we’ll talk about why another time. So thanks for listening to this episode of the Holistic Spaces podcast. You can tune in every Monday for a new podcast episode. If you like our podcast and this episode, please share it with others, subscribe, leave a review, you can find all the show notes on this episode including the information if you visit our blog, the best way to also get more information from us is to sign up for our newsletter. And you can do that by going to mindfuldesignschool.com. And if you scroll all the way down to the website, there is a box where you can join our mailing list. And then you can always keep touch with everything that’s happening. 

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Episode 119: Feng Shui Gardening with Will Brown

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EPISODE 119: FENG SHUI GARDENING WITH WILL BROWN

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Photo by Erda Estremera on Unsplash

Episode 119: Feng Shui Gardening with Will Brown
Anjie Cho & Laura Morris, Mindful Design

In this episode we’re joined by Mindful Design graduate Will Brown of Will Brown Interiors! We talked to Will all about feng shui and gardening, and how to balance the five elements in a garden.

We cover:

  • How Will decided to do his final project on feng shui and gardening

  • Will’s experience creating a feng shui-inspired garden

  • The emotional benefits of gardening

  • How Will balanced the five elements in his garden using color, shape, and material

  • Which plants Will chose for his feng shui garden

  • Will and Laura’s suggestions for how to incorporate each of the five elements in a garden


Thanks so much for listening to the Holistic Spaces Podcast brought to you by Mindful Design Feng Shui School!


Will Brown Interiors Portrait

Will has added the practice of Feng Shui into his interior design business as an enhancement service offering a more holistic way of intersecting design with living mindfully. He offers mundane and practical adjustments that can improve the Chi within the different areas of the home even as he creates refined and gracious interiors for his well-traveled clientele.

Will’s website: willbrowninteriors.com

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Episode Transcription:

Welcome to episode 119 of the holistic spaces podcast where we hope to inspire, educate and empower you to create your own holistic spaces that nourish and resonate with you. Anjie Cho and Laura Morris are the founders of the Mindful Design Feng Shui School. Together they have over 3 decades of experience designing harmonious living spaces. Laura and Anjie have guided thousands of people to shift their energy and revitalize their lives. Mindful Design School offers feng shui courses and certifications, check us out at mindfuldesignschool.com and holisticspaces.com

Hey everyone, Hey Will. Welcome!

W: Thanks for having me today. I’m excited to be here.

L: So we are going to talk about gardening which is one of my passions. I really love it. I spend a lot of time in the garden, and when we were sort of thinking about this topic. I remember back to when you did a garden and you incorporated feng shui. And that was actually your project, because you’re one of our grads. So welcome, and thank you for being here. Let me tell people a little bit about you. So Will Brown from Will Brown interiors. Will has added the practice of feng shui to his interior design business as an enhancement service offering a more holistic way of intersecting design with living mindfully. Emerging from the wake of our pandemic, Will realized that home was more important than ever for safety and sanctuary. Brown has also recognized that people not only desire to create home as sanctuary but that spaces must also be conducive for working comfortably and professionally from home. And as I mentioned, he is one of our Mindful Design Feng Shui School graduates and we’re really happy to have him here.

W: Thanks so much for having me here, excited to be here.

L: I just thought you did such a great job on that project because it was. You literally executed, created a garden using feng shui principles, so I thought it was such a perfect way to talk to A. you can let our listeners know, what are some things you can do. I think it really is nice to talk about your experience, what you went through and how you found it, why you even decided to do it. So what made you come up with doing the gardening and feng shui combo?

W: Yeah it was a few things that I’d say. So obviously I had the presentation that was part of the certification. So back online, hmm what am I gonna do. So that was kinda happening. I also had a new client who was doing a new build. And she had mentioned she wanted to do a zen garden on the property. And I’ve never done one before so I thought that would be a great challenge/opportunity. So that was also kinda brewing. Last year was so much going on with Covid. And there was a lot of, with the Black Lives Matter, civil unrest. That was a lot, that was weighing on me emotionally. Starting this new business, having to pivot. So I had a lot going on from that perspective, which actually was how I came to find you guys. So all this kinda merged together and I felt like I really don’t know a lot about working in the yard and working with the hands and garden. And I felt like it would be a good way for me to escape a little bit and it really ended up being a great, cathartic way for me to get my hands in the dirt. There’s nothing like being in nature just to help shift your mood and change your perspective. So it helped me get out of my mind and I got my friend to help me as well. There was gonna be some heavy lifting and we were going to have to mulch and all of that. I had a friend that loves to work on the yard. Together we came up with this idea, sort of a plan. But it wasn’t fully formed, even when I was digging in the dirt, and I kept weeding and doing research and then I went to the nursery and kept an open mind and just to see what spoke to me and learning about them. And then it started to come together, it was very organic, the way it happened. So I liked that we kept it fluid and it evolved into that. I did come back to make sure we covered the five elements because that was my premise once I decided that I wanted to do a feng shui pattern and that I wanted to make sure there was representation of all five elements in some way, shape, or form. That’s how it helped. It evolved from that.

L: Working in the dirt is very therapeutic. Gardening and getting your hands dirty. You’re working with the elements directly in a lot of ways, right. And we’ll go through the five elements in a bit and maybe you can share a little bit about what we’ve done. So that makes a lot of sense, and I think spring is here especially where we are in the Northern Hemisphere, especially if you live in colder climates. It’s here now, we’re working in the garden. I’m pretty far north so we have to wait for at least May to do this. So it’s just so nice to be able to get out and to work in the garden but it’s really, it’s really amazing when you can think about it on a slightly different level. Really bring in that appreciation for the energy of your garden. And say ok, if we’re going to set up a garden, plant a garden and it doesn’t again have to be elaborate. It’s really cool way to do it is to use this five element energy. So I think when you started the project you did a great job with the details. What was one, did you find anything challenging, or when you were doing it, was there something where you got stuck or did you motor on and it was no problem?

W: One of the things I think we were challenged with was with the placement of the garden. It was actually on a slope. It was sloping down. Part of the reasons why I chose that area. It was run off, it was hard to keep grass. I tried to seed it and it just wouldn’t take because it would just wash away whenever it rained. That was one of the challenges where we had to engineer a way to make sure that whatever we planted wouldn’t wash away. That was something that we figured out a way that filled in to created a stone path that the water could be trenched out and we filled it with stone pebbles so that when there was run off it could go to that trench instead of the entire garden area. Wasn’t sure if it was going to work but it seems to be holding so that was good. That was probably one of the biggest things we faced.

L: I remember we were talking about this and this brings us back to the five elements. You said you had to water and it was eroding the garden and it wasn’t allowing the grass to grow. Your solution was to add the earth element because you actually added in the brick work along to shift it.

W: There was a stack of bricks that were extra to the house that were just sitting around so I thought what if you create a way to create a barrier and a way to also create a beautiful border. It worked out really well. It was like, let’s just try it and see how it looks and it came out really well. And the other thing that I should point out, is I forgot about this, but a back step that went into my side door was actually crumbling, it was made out of concrete and it was actually crumbling. Over the years I noticed more and more was crumbling. So I thought this was a great opportunity to re-do that step. Now it’s a nice platform and we did the whole thing in that extra brick. It creates a nice little perch for my little dog to sit and look out and it looks really nice, it creates a beautiful entry to the side of the house. I liked how it turned out.

L: It’s a perfect example of the elements at work because you took, earth controls water, so it literally worked exactly the way it was intended. That I remember noticing. Why don’t you tell us a little bit about...so you are going to be working on another project — what are some of the things working on? If someone was planning a garden, what would be some of the things you would, and you are obviously thinking about, because you are going to be starting a new project, correct? Using this new idea.

W: I think I probably, just springboarding off of this project, I love the idea of the five elements. I think that’s how I will go into this next project, thinking about the balance of the five elements. Doing additional research, going deeper into five elements, really know, just to broaden my knowledge about what kind of fits within those different elements. And kinda have those as a menu of things to really think about. I have a little bit of time to play with it. I’ve been kinda looking for maybe someone to partner with and collaborate with, someone who maybe has worked on doing gardens before because I really noticed I work well when I collaborate. Since I’m not a gardener per se, I like to lean on people’s expertise. Sort of that in collaboration with what I will be bringing, I think will make something unique and different. I’m really fortunate that the new, my clients, are open to doing a zen garden, and feng shui, and having that element. So I think that’s how I’m approaching it — continuing to go deeper on how I started last year and the five elements and broadening my knowledge there. I don’t know exactly how it’s gonna look. I have the patch of space that we have, it’s actually going to be in front of the house. I did learn enough from our class — when we think about water, like fountains, for example, we learning that fountain may be better placed in the back versus in the front. At least being aware of how it’s flowing, the direction of the flow. That’s me thinking, some of those types of things I’ll be thinking about.

L: The placement, maybe even looking at the bagua a little too, which is totally separate.

W: I’m glad you brought that up because this here when I go back to my garden. I’ve gotta think about what I want to do this year in terms of how I want to plan it. Last year it was about the five elements. I think this term I’m going to overlay the bagua on top of it and really think about it. Just continuing to deepen what I learn from taking the course and applying it to this space outside. We’ll see how that goes. I’m excited.

L: Let’s talk a little bit about — let’s share what we would do for the five elements. When you mentioned that you partnered with a horticulturist. There’s quite a few listeners out there that could be pretty good at gardening. I’ve always said you learn the tools of feng shui, you learn the systems. You’ve got color systems, you’ve got shape, you’ve got all these things you can layer on for each of the five elements. So I know this about the five elements, but maybe what I’m lacking is the horticulture knowledge. I need something that flowers red, I need something that flowers purple. I want something that has a silvery-blue tone to it or something. That is where as you mentioned if you really wanted to dive deeply you can work with a horticulturist. But for those of you out there who are gardeners and know this — What I think would be cool is if Will can specifically say what he did for each element. I can share something too because I’ve done it. So we’ve got the earth element--you had that stone work which you put in which was a perfect example.

W: I actually looked back to my project and wrote notes. It just jogged my memory: I had this beautiful, almost this porous rock formation that I had carried from a previous location and it was so beautiful I didn’t want to leave it there so I brought it with me. I felt like this garden would be the perfect place for it. This reminds me of — if you look behind me there are these mountains. It had that porous feel and just knowing that you are inviting the qi to linger and stay inside this area. I just love that visual. I have that in my garden, so that was another rock formation and it was a little more organic. Thinking about making sure that the earth, the soil is enriched. You’re mulching it to keep it in and not wash away and keeping the weeds at bay. That’s what I was thinking about.

L: You changed the soil, you ended up bringing in new, fresh high-quality soil. When you do that when you’re starting your garden, that’s how you can bring in the earth element. For the water element, what did you do for that?


W: For the water element — thinking about making sure it wasn’t too much water because we had that slope issue. So part of it was just making sure that it wasn’t overtaking that. That was just one cognizant thought that I had about managing the level of water, or the amount of water. Also, I brought in a bird bath that I created. It was made out of a really simple, earthenware/ceramic bowl that was shallow and wide. I loved it. Can I show you? I switched it out because I had several of these. You can see it here: There’s a glaze in the middle and it’s very organic. I just love the shape of it. I use this as my bird bath in the garden. I put it on a rock pedestal to elevate it. I filled it with water and keep it fresh. Even my dog will drink water out of it. It invites nature to come and visit so I’ll see birds coming by, which I love that. That and in general keeping it watered, making sure that, part of that is knowing that you have to take care of the garden. So watering it intentionally to make sure things don’t dry out is another way I was thinking about that element of water.

A: For the listeners: you’re suggesting you can find any kind of beautiful bowl. Yours was about 12 in. in diameter. And the shallow ones — would they be better than a deeper one?

W: I like the more shallow because it I felt like you had more area for pooling and for birds. If it was too deep, I feel like it could get stagnant, and you can fester mosquitos. So I thought that wider, more shallow felt better for me.

A: To pick something with a decorative interior that you are attracted to, that’s a nice way to bring in the water. So we went over earth, we went over water — how did you bring in the wood element?

W: The wood — was in my planting. Wood is that tall column. So I was really thinking about that when I was looking through the nursery. I’ve always liked alliums. They’re really tall with the bulbous, purple flowering plants. So I planted those on the length of the garden. We’ll have a nice moment when they come up. I’m starting to see them come up so that’s nice. I’ve also added tall grasses, a couple of bunches of tall grass — it’s lemongrass actually. I can actually use that for my cooking and soups, which I did harvest some of that in the fall. Throughout the winter I was using it for soups and that’s how I brought the wood in. You have the mulch that was already brought in. That was my two intentional ways of bringing wood in.

L: For the listeners out there, the wood element is actually any plant. Anything that is growing, you’ve already got that going on. Will mentioned columnar, so something that has that upward growth, like his suggestion of allium. Any columnar shape, if you wanted to put shrubs. Anything that has an upright, almost like bamboo. Bamboo is like the perfect image. The color green that has that upward movement. I think that gives you some ways to work with it. I think your example was excellent with the allium bulb. So we’ve done earth, water, wood — what about metal.

W: Metal, I was like hm what could I do for metal. I was inspired by wind chimes. I found one that had a really nice, clear crystal sound to it. I placed that — it was actually multiple sounds in this one windchime, so I included that. I also included white, intentionally with some of the planting. I planted a rose, a climbing rose around the door. I was really attracted to the blooms when I saw them. That’s doing really well, it probably grew 3 or 4 feet last year. I’m hoping to train it to go on top of the door. I found this really interesting metallic, white, gazing ball. And white being the color of metal, I thought that was another element that I could add in. That’s how I brought in the metal.

A: That’s great. Metal is white, it’s metallic objects and definitely the wind chimes is an easy one to bring into the garden. A wind chime that is made of metal because it has that metal sound. It creates metal vibrations and it’s metal. That’s great. Last but not least: fire.

W: This one was interesting. I used color as my way of bringing in the fire element. As summer was warming things up, I found some really great coreopsis which is a — the flower itself is yellow, orange, to red. To me it represented flames. I planted those and they gave a nice fullness with those blooming heads. I had a couple of those and I also added red echinacea as well. I also like the medicinal element that the echinacea has as well. That’s how I brought the fire element to this space.

L: Fire is great. The color sort of lends itself to that, using red, really really bright orange too. And getting that hit of red in your garden is a really easy, simple, powerful way to bring the fire element in. As you mentioned bee balm, echinacea. You get all these bees too, which creates a lot of activity. It’s a really beautiful option. Fire element is the color red, triangular shapes as well, and anything that is spreading like fire. I think you really hit it with the color, such an easy way to do it. That was awesome Will. I like the way we could take your project and really break it down and be able to see in real time, how in real life, how this actually works. Thank you for that.

W: Do you remember I added herbs too, to the garden. I love to cook with the herbs so I thought that was another way to use the garden. Typically, I would get the herb cups and pots for my windowsill. But I thought since I’m doing a garden one, I would just grow them. I grew basil and sage and one other one — lavender. They have their own properties about them that I really love. The other thing that I liked is you can do clippings and cuttings. I use that as a fragrant arrangement around the house. It’s a great way to bring some of the outside in. Like lavender for example in the bedroom, really adds that additional fragrance, having the cuttings of sage as the clearing element in the space. Besides cooking, I really started to have fun with the clippings. I wouldn’t have done it because I wouldn’t have had that much to play with, but the garden — they just keep growing and growing. That was an interesting way that I was able to use the herbs too.

L: That's a great idea. Before we fully wrap up here. Will, where can people find you?

W: My website is willbrowninteriors.com. Instagram: willbrowninteriors. Facebook: willbrowninteriors.

L: It’s been great Will, it’s great seeing your face again.

W: It’s great to continue to learn as well.

L: Thank you so much for coming.

W: Thank you for having me, really appreciate it, loved to see you guys.


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